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		<title>New Wine&#8230; Old Wineskins? &#124; Steering Your Church to a New Place [1]</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 09:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Had a good time at my first visit to New Wine yesterday. I&#8217;d been asked to go and speak about the book, which I duly did, and thoroughly enjoyed it. Speaking at Greenbelt you&#8217;re pretty much already in a place where people are critiquing the forms and structures of faith, so it was very interesting [...]]]></description>
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<p>Had a good time at my first visit to <em>New Wine</em> yesterday. I&#8217;d been asked to go and speak about the book, which I duly did, and thoroughly enjoyed it. Speaking at <em>Greenbelt</em> you&#8217;re pretty much already in a place where people are critiquing the forms and structures of faith, so it was very interesting to be in a far more conservative place &#8211; and find that people really began to open up on those issues too.</p>
<p>If I had a penny for every time someone has asked &#8216;how do I start my local church on a path to something more relevant&#8217; I&#8217;d&#8230; well, be able to buy a pint I expect. It is the major question, and one that it so difficult to answer. To put it into the context there: there seems to be plenty of new wine around, but so much of it is being wasted in old wineskins.</p>
<p>I liked what John Peters had to say yesterday: &#8216;<em>you be you, and dangerously free.</em>&#8216; I mentioned in my talk yesterday that this is what we need to think of our faith too. To let God be dangerously free. But in the context of beginning to critique a &#8216;normal&#8217; church structure, that can be frightening, like leaving a cruise-liner to join a small yacht is how <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Churchless-Faith-Alan-Jamieson/dp/0281054657/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1280134444&amp;sr=1-1">Alan Jamieson</a> once put it. You feel the waves and are buffeted by the wind far more. The boat needs you to take responsibility, and carries more risk.</p>
<p>However, leaving shouldn&#8217;t be a first move. My take on &#8216;you be you, and dangerously free&#8217; would be to reaffirm Jesus&#8217; message that <em><strong>we do not need a priest</strong></em> &#8211; we do not need anyone to mediate us to God. In practice? Don&#8217;t pedestal the leadership and be patronised or afraid. They are normal people trying to do the best job they can, often in difficult circumstances.</p>
<p>So if you&#8217;re feeling that new wine needs some new wineskins in your context, talk to them, be confident and not cowed, but empathetic and engaging and encouraging. See if there are any others thinking the same way, and talk about some positive, simple things that you can do together. It doesn&#8217;t need to be secretive or covert, though you may need to be sensitive and discreet.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s probably enough for now&#8230; I&#8217;ll try to follow this up with a few more thoughts about beginning to challenge and change institutions and forms tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>Theology and the New Physics [1] &#124; Uncertainty</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 09:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>KB</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[As exemplified by the arguments that science writer Philip Ball has stoked up by daring to criticise The Reason Project (Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris et al.), there are those on both sides who are desperate to draw ever harder lines between science and religion. I strongly believe that these lines are far softer that perhaps we&#8217;d [...]]]></description>
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<img src="http://www.kesterbrewin.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/quantum.jpg" width="280" height="224" alt="Quantum.jpg" style="float:left; margin-right:10px; margin-bottom:10px;" />As exemplified by the arguments that <a href="http://philipball.blogspot.com/">science writer Philip Ball</a> has stoked up by daring to criticise <a href="http://www.reasonproject.org/">The Reason Project</a> (Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris et al.), there are those on both sides who are desperate to draw ever harder lines between science and religion.</p>
<p>I strongly believe that these lines are far softer that perhaps we&#8217;d like to think, and what I&#8217;d like to do in the following few posts is hold up some pointers as to why that might be the case. Before I get to the meat of this first post, I want to make something clear: I don&#8217;t believe that Quantum Physics provides any proof of God. I don&#8217;t think a &#8216;God Particle&#8217; will be discovered. What I think the new physics <em>does</em> do though, is force us to think more carefully about what we think we know, whether we be scientists or theologians or both.</p>
<p><span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;">The Science</span></p>
<p>One book that I have mentioned here before and which I thoroughly recommend to those interested in taking things further is <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Quantum-Einstein-Debate-Nature-Reality/dp/1848310358/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1243848218&amp;sr=8-1">Quantum</a> by Manjit Kumar. In it he outlines the argument that blew up between Einstein &#8211; who ironically began the whole quantum school of thought &#8211; and Niels Bohr &#8211; who was the foremost proponent of radical quantum theory. The argument was important because it centred on what the nature of reality was. And what can be more important than that?</p>
<p>Historically, classical physics was optimistic about understanding matter. Physicists believed that as technology and experimental equipment improved they would eventually be able to look an atom, or a subatomic particle even, straight in the eye. It was simply a question of more accurate observation and measurement. However, in 1926 a quantum-leaning physicist called Werner Heisenberg outlined what has become known as the &#8216;uncertainty principle&#8217;. This states that it is impossible to know both the position and velocity of a particle simultaneously. Simply put: in order to observe a particle a measuring instrument has to get some information from it. At the limit of observation, this can be done using one single photon of light, which bounces off the particle being observed and is then registered by the instrument. Under normal circumstances &#8211; like reading a thermometer &#8211; this is fine. But when the particle you are observing becomes so small, the impact with the photon actually changes the momentum of the particle. Your observation of it has actually changed it in some way.</p>
<p>This precipitated a huge crisis in physics. If Heisenberg was right, was it even possible to observe or measure <em>anything</em> accurately? On the one hand, Niels Bohr became more convinced that atoms and subatomic particles could never be modelled in terms anything more than metaphor. There was nothing but abstract mathematics at the core: no &#8216;orbiting particle&#8217; model, no &#8216;plum pudding&#8217; model; we would never be able to draw what an atom actually looked like. Everything was uncertain, shape-shifting wave functions that &#8216;collapsed&#8217; into states we were looking for when we wanted them to. Einstein resisted this. He was convinced that the quantum concept would be superseded by something more fundamental, a model that would describe everything properly, and would be understandable in a physical way. For Einstein, real things did exist. For Bohr, they existed only when we observed them.</p>
<p><strong><em>The Theology</em></strong></p>
<p>What are the implications for theology? Primarily, I think the argument between classical and quantum physics parallels quite nicely with the interaction between &#8216;classic&#8217; and &#8216;emerging&#8217; church. My experience in the 90&#8242;s, with Toronto etc. was that people in the charismatic, evangelical wing of the church really believed that they would soon achieve total immanence with God. God was almost touchable. If only we could sing that bit harder and be zapped that tiny bit more we would actually achieve full communion. When this didn&#8217;t happen, it precipitated a crisis among many of those of my generation. We felt cheated, and retreated into &#8216;alt.worship&#8217; where we explored a &#8216;quantum theology&#8217; where God was pure equations, transcendent and immensurable.</p>
<p>It seems now that both positions are wrong. While Einstein is yet to be vindicated, most physicists are skeptical about the &#8216;hard&#8217; quantum model, and feel that some new theory will supersede it, even though Heisenberg&#8217;s principle is unbreachable. God, I think we are learning again, is both immanent and transcendent, but never entirely one or the other. Uncertainty remains.</p>
<p>And so it is with all our knowledge. Those on the side of The Reason Project will want to claim hard facts and cold truth, as will those on the side of fundamentalism. But it doesn&#8217;t take a genius like Einstein to see that human experience has always been far more comfortable in the uncertain place in between these positions, and it&#8217;s to that uncertain place that I want to go in the next post, where we&#8217;ll take a look at other dimensions.</p>
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