Comments on: A Plea for Christian Piracy [3] http://www.kesterbrewin.com/2009/09/10/a-plea-for-christian-piracy-3/ // __ issues. in code. __ // Wed, 01 Feb 2012 12:30:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Nic http://www.kesterbrewin.com/2009/09/10/a-plea-for-christian-piracy-3/comment-page-1/#comment-2130 Nic Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:46:41 +0000 http://www.kesterbrewin.com/?p=887#comment-2130 Cheeky monkey— That explanation makes little sense to me. Is hauntology a symptom, a method, a critique— all of the above? Cheeky monkey—
That explanation makes little sense to me.

Is hauntology a symptom, a method, a critique—
all of the above?

]]> By: KB http://www.kesterbrewin.com/2009/09/10/a-plea-for-christian-piracy-3/comment-page-1/#comment-2129 KB Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:10:30 +0000 http://www.kesterbrewin.com/?p=887#comment-2129 Actually folks, the wikipedia entry helped me a lot more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hauntology The basic idea: <blockquote>"The present exists only with respect to the past, and that society after the end of history will begin to orient itself towards ideas and aesthetics that are thought of as rustic, bizarre or "old-timey"; that is, towards the "ghost" of the past... The name and concept fundamentally come from Marx's assertion that a "spectre is haunting Europe, the spectre of communism." Derrida holds that the spirit of Karl Marx is even more relevant after the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989 and the demise of communism, that the West's separation from the ignorance of the suffering still present in the world will "haunt" it and provide the impetus for a fresh interest in communism."</blockquote> Actually folks, the wikipedia entry helped me a lot more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hauntology

The basic idea:

“The present exists only with respect to the past, and that society after the end of history will begin to orient itself towards ideas and aesthetics that are thought of as rustic, bizarre or “old-timey”; that is, towards the “ghost” of the past… The name and concept fundamentally come from Marx’s assertion that a “spectre is haunting Europe, the spectre of communism.” Derrida holds that the spirit of Karl Marx is even more relevant after the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989 and the demise of communism, that the West’s separation from the ignorance of the suffering still present in the world will “haunt” it and provide the impetus for a fresh interest in communism.”

]]> By: Nic http://www.kesterbrewin.com/2009/09/10/a-plea-for-christian-piracy-3/comment-page-1/#comment-2126 Nic Sat, 12 Sep 2009 10:32:18 +0000 http://www.kesterbrewin.com/?p=887#comment-2126 There is a very good take here: http://splinteringboneashes.blogspot.com/2008/10/when-nothing-ever-happens.html There is a very good take here:

http://splinteringboneashes.blogspot.com/2008/10/when-nothing-ever-happens.html

]]> By: Nic http://www.kesterbrewin.com/2009/09/10/a-plea-for-christian-piracy-3/comment-page-1/#comment-2125 Nic Sat, 12 Sep 2009 10:22:51 +0000 http://www.kesterbrewin.com/?p=887#comment-2125 This is lazy, and don't really like doing this, but written stuff on hauntology here at these two posts: HauntedGeographies posts 86 + 87: http://hauntedgeographies.typepad.com/basho/2008/06/index.html It coincides with some of your thoughts, re the power of appropriation to initiate change. However, I am beginning to move away from this position. As you can see! A lot of this revolves around Jameson's notion of PoMo being the hand-maiden of capitalism. We've probably had about a 100 years of cultural piracy, taking Duchamp as the prince of plunder and the urinal as piracy's ground-zero. It's a rich vein, but is it working? BTW, 'Daddy' is just one role or performance that constitutes Me++. I am multiple and schizoid. I would also argue you are the same too. This is lazy, and don’t really like doing this, but written stuff on hauntology here at these two posts:

HauntedGeographies posts 86 + 87:
http://hauntedgeographies.typepad.com/basho/2008/06/index.html

It coincides with some of your thoughts, re the power of appropriation to initiate change. However, I am beginning to move away from this position. As you can see!

A lot of this revolves around Jameson’s notion of PoMo being the hand-maiden of capitalism. We’ve probably had about a 100 years of cultural piracy, taking Duchamp as the prince of plunder and the urinal as piracy’s ground-zero. It’s a rich vein, but is it working?

BTW, ‘Daddy’ is just one role or performance that constitutes Me++. I am multiple and schizoid. I would also argue you are the same too.

]]> By: KB http://www.kesterbrewin.com/2009/09/10/a-plea-for-christian-piracy-3/comment-page-1/#comment-2124 KB Sat, 12 Sep 2009 08:38:29 +0000 http://www.kesterbrewin.com/?p=887#comment-2124 Just answer the bloody questions! Give us a run-down of hauntology. And tell if you - the thing your kids point to and say daddy - can change. Of course it's too dogmatic to say 'the only way' - but it is certainly one way. And an important place to start. Just answer the bloody questions! Give us a run-down of hauntology. And tell if you – the thing your kids point to and say daddy – can change. Of course it’s too dogmatic to say ‘the only way’ – but it is certainly one way. And an important place to start.

]]> By: Nic http://www.kesterbrewin.com/2009/09/10/a-plea-for-christian-piracy-3/comment-page-1/#comment-2123 Nic Sat, 12 Sep 2009 08:22:58 +0000 http://www.kesterbrewin.com/?p=887#comment-2123 "The only way"— tad too dogmatic for my liking. Also, is this your assumption of a whole, discrete, soul-bearing human subject? “The only way”— tad too dogmatic for my liking. Also, is this your assumption of a whole, discrete, soul-bearing human subject?

]]> By: Gary Manders http://www.kesterbrewin.com/2009/09/10/a-plea-for-christian-piracy-3/comment-page-1/#comment-2122 Gary Manders Fri, 11 Sep 2009 23:15:16 +0000 http://www.kesterbrewin.com/?p=887#comment-2122 Excuse my ignorance but what is hauntology, or am I just reading the wrong things? If change is not possible, then we may as well give up now,it just gets so pessimistic.I refuse to give up on hope, its more robust than any dystopia. Thanks Kester for some innovative thinking riffing on that pirate theme. Excuse my ignorance but what is hauntology, or am I just reading the wrong things? If change is not possible, then we may as well give up now,it just gets so pessimistic.I refuse to give up on hope, its more robust than any dystopia. Thanks Kester for some innovative thinking riffing on that pirate theme.

]]> By: KB http://www.kesterbrewin.com/2009/09/10/a-plea-for-christian-piracy-3/comment-page-1/#comment-2121 KB Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:17:18 +0000 http://www.kesterbrewin.com/?p=887#comment-2121 The only way to answer that is to ask the question at the personal level. Can you change? Can you still be just? Do you still critique? I think the answer in the personal has to be yes, so that leaves me with hope for the bigger picture. The only way to answer that is to ask the question at the personal level. Can you change? Can you still be just? Do you still critique? I think the answer in the personal has to be yes, so that leaves me with hope for the bigger picture.

]]> By: Nic http://www.kesterbrewin.com/2009/09/10/a-plea-for-christian-piracy-3/comment-page-1/#comment-2118 Nic Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:39:02 +0000 http://www.kesterbrewin.com/?p=887#comment-2118 Is critique still possible? Is change still possible? Is Justice still possible? I'm not sure? “Trompe-l'oeil negativity" Your critique has already been mimicked and emptied of any force. I buy the principle of an immanent critique but its the holy grail and I wonder if plunder is the answer any more. Re Mr Fukuyama, Derrida used hauntology to critique his stance. Hauntology is now being used to explore the cultural doldrums we find ourselves in. Is critique still possible? Is change still possible? Is Justice still possible? I’m not sure? “Trompe-l’oeil negativity” Your critique has already been mimicked and emptied of any force.

I buy the principle of an immanent critique but its the holy grail and I wonder if plunder is the answer any more.

Re Mr Fukuyama, Derrida used hauntology to critique his stance. Hauntology is now being used to explore the cultural doldrums we find ourselves in.

]]> By: KB http://www.kesterbrewin.com/2009/09/10/a-plea-for-christian-piracy-3/comment-page-1/#comment-2117 KB Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:02:19 +0000 http://www.kesterbrewin.com/?p=887#comment-2117 I'd agree that piracy arises naturally out of capitalism, but I don't think that that invalidates it as critique. Any system will contain within its DNA the nature of the most effective critique against it, but that doesn't mean that the critique is therefore neutered and ineffective. And I'm pretty sure Fukuyama wouldn't really hold to the end of history hypothesis any more. Capitalism does need ripping apart, for sure. But I'm not totally pessimistic about the chances of that. I’d agree that piracy arises naturally out of capitalism, but I don’t think that that invalidates it as critique. Any system will contain within its DNA the nature of the most effective critique against it, but that doesn’t mean that the critique is therefore neutered and ineffective.

And I’m pretty sure Fukuyama wouldn’t really hold to the end of history hypothesis any more. Capitalism does need ripping apart, for sure. But I’m not totally pessimistic about the chances of that.

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